When you operate with that production philosophy, product quality suffers because quality takes a back seat to production numbers and so long as the bottom line looks good, all that matters, not the end user. I'm not a moderator hsre but I do read the 'rules of the road' and always try to abide by them.Īs a late model RV owner, I feel your pain and it's painfully obvious to me that manufacturers in general have on blinder when it comes to even the basic QC issues but demand has overridden supply so it get them done as fast as possible and go to the next unit and so on. While I agree that owners need to address the poor QC, this forum isn't the place to discuss it (and neither is any other RV forum I know of, all have the same basic users agreement. This includes posts related to future, ongoing or past lawsuits" "Posts are not allowed in which a local, state, or federal consumer action board and/or legal counsel is/have been involved. Need to be careful about posting that stuff, the user agreement that you agreed to when you first logged on, explicitly states. This is the only way the problem will be fixed in the current environment. Then nationwide lemon laws need to be in place with buy back requirements.Īfter some buy backs, and lawsuit payouts, some will quit building (good they probably need to) and then maybe the rest will start putting some quality back into the units. Though I am against lawsuits, it's clear that class action suits need to be brought up against most rv manufacturers. Its long, 33 ft due to genny in the tongue. The size of the bathroom and Front bedroom is impressive indeed. Nothing is perfect, maybe order as many cabinets as possible. is sufficiently powerful and the 5.5 onan runs it all and much more. We use ours in the fall winter and spring on a nationwide basis, the single 13.5 ducted a.c. We have the happy Jack, but we raise that during the day and have a 7ft FOM bag for relaxing and one fold down bench. We ordered full factory carpet front to back. Sorry about all the questions, but I am hunting one now though it's 10K above my budget I also don't like that they don't offer the rear porch and railing option , How about ac, most dealers only have one on the unit, but in Texas heat, or southern travel with 100 degree days I have my doubts on the one 15K unit to cool the unit. I pretty much want the all out loaded model which nobody stocks or even close. Tell me, what do you not like or wish you had (like insulated floor, thinking of walking on aluminum and making noies). I even eliminated Livin LIte, since I read they are joining the **** club. So I have narrowed it down to exactly what you have, so do you think it is that much better than the othe I say support companies who are standing up to the garbage the rv industry is producing. We just did a 2k mile shake down run with our 28 front bedroom ATC. I do have an appointment in 2 weeks to get the stuff fixed so all will be good. It seems like every one of these now days is just a mess. Same with a few other friends in the last couple years. My brother has the same brand of toy hauler and bought new last fall on one that he ordered, so he picked it up right after it was delivered, almost the same issues. So I knew quality had gone down in the last few years. The carpet is coming apart, charging station doesn't work, one screen isn't on the tracks, 2 of the blinds won't stay up, one drawer is mounted crooked, the caulking is completely missing on one bump out, the other one it is about 1/8 inch too high, faucet opens in travel (when turn pump on it starts spraying), the beds don't go up at the same time as they are off, the TV is mounted where it rubs against the cabinet, the outside front storage door is crooked so it's very hard to close and latch, the place where the pump is I found 3 random screws and an extra wire and a ton of sawdust, and 2 screws were dropped in the ramp door so it scratched the inside of where it connects to the trailer. The list of stuff that's broken is long, most notably the line to fill the water tank was cut at some point and the repair job was awful. I picked it up a couple weeks ago as a 2017 that's been on the lot since February. My second one I bought new in 2013 and it had no problems from the get go and very minimal things broke along the way. Fine, it was a cheap, bottom of they line toy hauler, I get it. That one had no problems when I bought it, but about everything broke while using it. It's crazy how the manufactures have almost zero quality control now, much different than even 4 years ago.
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